Job applications, fraudulent or missing information, your career, and felonies

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By LillyGrillzit

©Copyright LillyGrillzit all rights reserved Jan. 4, 2010 Response to Question asked on HubPages about the legality of an employer going back on an employees application and doing checks on work history, due to a Workman's Comp claim.

In response to a Question

A fellow Hubber asked, if an employer can check references long after they have been working there. Below is Lilly's answer.

On your job application


Can an employer check references long after you have been hired on?

Yes. Whenever you supply references for a job, in the US this is your proof that you are qualified for the position.

Looking at it another way, consider, that your long time employer is considering you for a promotion. With a promotion comes added responsibilities and trust. Your employer may re-verify education, training, certifications and past job experience. This is a way to make better business decisions, and assure their investment in you is warranted.

Any false, or misleading statements may lead to termination. That is on every application Lilly has ever filled out.

One year, Lilly was a supervisor in one of those well known seasonal tax businesses. It finally happened, a tax preparer was found to be committing fraud. As the news stations picked up the story, the business owners promised to do background checks on all 500 employees.

Lilly was not personally worried, but she almost lost two good employees, because they did not indicate they had been convicted of a felony on each of their applications. This is another question that is is plainly asked on every application. It puts a person who has reformed and paid their dues in a bad spot, but as it stands now, it is a cause for termination.

If a person fills out a job application and it carries false or misleading information, it is terms for dismissal.


Disenfranchisement of ex-felons

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Reform?

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choices, disclosure or work?

After the News story broke, the owners sent out letters to every employee, letting them know that background checks would be conducted. They added, that if an employee had not disclosed they were past felons, they would be terminated.

Lilly got phone calls at home shortly afterward.

One was a student, and young mother. She was responsible enough to let Lilly know she was quitting and why. Lilly asked her to please not leave yet, and hold tight. Another employee simply e-mailed Lilly that he couldn't work there any longer. He was not as forth coming, and actually quit because he was embarrassed to bring up something that he thought was long buried.

Lilly went and spoke to the owners. She let them know they were about to lose a lot of good people due to their stance. They had a long conversation about the ethics and wording used in the notification. Lilly did get them to admit if they had been honest, they would NOT have hired them anyway...

Finally, good sense resumed, a retraction was immediately e-mailed, and changed to, if any applicants had committed felonies forbidding them from working in finance, they would be terminated, and possibly prosecuted...

They retained their jobs, and Lilly was able to retain good employees.

There is not a LillyGrillzit at every job, and this is seasonal work that is difficult to fill. All stories do not end so happily. These were very good people, who served their sentences years before, and had learned their lesson.


Helping felons find jobs

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Hello, I am calling about...

Checking references, and work history for promotions.
Checking references, and work history for promotions.
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Sweetsusieg Level 5 Commenter 16 months ago

This same discussion was presented to me yesterday, my response was "Omission"... omission is not necessarily false or misleading... This in response to the 'felony' question. I'm not sure how accurate my response was, but the way that I see it, if you do a good job and sometime in the future your felony is discovered it was a missed question. You didn't answer no, just skipped it! At least it's a foot in the door, and time may be given to prove oneself.

What a terrific subject!! Thanks

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LillyGrillzit Hub Author 16 months ago

Dear Sweetsusieg, Depending on the type of business and the trust given to the employee. Lilly's two co-workers had done a deed when they were young, but that was not their practice. They learned their lesson and could be trusted. Thinking..Day Care center...it could be bad. Hey, I have outlaws in my family, so I am sympathetic to those who have paid for their crimes, and still have to "pay" by admitting past failure. Thank you Sweetsusieg.

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Sweetsusieg Level 5 Commenter 16 months ago

Yes, I agree anything to do with children is a 1 strike and your 'out' deal! Absolutely! That's why I think they should class the felonies differently. I could be wrong but class A (really bad) Class B is what it is now.. The way it stands now, if your arrested for a 'protest', depending on the arresting officer, you can be charged for a felony. Some employers see the 'yes' box checked and your application is overlooked... That is sad.

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LillyGrillzit Hub Author 16 months ago

It is a type of discrimination, and I cannot say that I wouldn't omit it if I were desperate for a job. It almost makes people want to give up when they are simply there to work and earn a paycheck. There it goes again, the circular no matter what someone does, they are judged harshly. I think you have a great Hub for that topic! :0)

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gg.zaino Level 2 Commenter 16 months ago

Hey Lori, i had to read this, for obvious reasons perhaps... :)-~~~

This subject has always left me blank. You as well as i know how the past can haunt us.

For the most part when asked about my past foibles and fun, i have left that section blank- answering neither yeah or nay.

if my application is taken into consideration i have always felt a personal explanation is more appropriate. Felonies suck, but a face to face showing of sincerity that a simple yes-no answer on paper cannot convey, is absolute.

The "IF SO-EXPLAIN" part of that question of whether we have ever been convicted is too impersonal in my opinion.

I read in Providence Journal one day, that a teacher in Massachusetts was fired after 17 years because he had been arrested for possession of grass in his freshman year at B.U.and failed to put this on his initial app.

fkn crazy - poor bastard didn't win his appeal either- even allowing his excellent record as an instructor he remained a cruel victim of petty workplace politics. A fellow employee had flipped over on him.

Well, glad to say i have overcome all of it, as i don't have to put up with the dog eat dog existence of the certifiable any longer. I'm Free Dog Dammit!- fkem all i say... and i sleep at night these days!

Great stuff here Lori ~ Peace out ~ greg

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LillyGrillzit Hub Author 16 months ago

Dearest Greg, I am glad that you responded with an excellent point on this. It is a sticky wicket for sure. I agree that speaking to the potential employer in the right circumstances is optimum. Consider that some programs give employers tax credits for hiring cons and ex cons. But for the grace of Dog... :0)

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LillyGrillzit Hub Author 16 months ago

Lilly did not create the present job application. She is not responsible for the way businesses conduct themselves, this was not meant to put anyone down. She just answered a Question.

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gg.zaino Level 2 Commenter 16 months ago

Ha!!! the society is what it is Lori. I look at it as just another challenge- i love a dare still! :)

peace out sista... great topic - greg

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katiem2 16 months ago

Whew it seems we have to learn to be more and more perfect as we can hide nothing. This is a very helpful topic as nowadays everything is truthfully a matter of HIGH SPEED public record. Don't lie... Well DONE! :) Katie

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LillyGrillzit Hub Author 16 months ago

@Greg, Thanks again. I love a dare too! Peace bro. :0)

@Ms Katiem, Thank you for the comment, and compliment. Have a wonderful day, Write on! :0)

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chan0512 16 months ago

Interesting info and story in this hub. I think it will be unfair for any employee who was fired due to past action. Like investing "Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results or present action". So no one should be judged by their past action. Voted and shared.

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LillyGrillzit Hub Author 16 months ago

Thank you chan0512! It would be a better world if employers thought that way...Thanks for the vote, and share!

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